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#1 Hero of Rome

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 03:02 PM

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Edited by Hero of Rome, 15 November 2019 - 03:25 PM.


#2 Skull Krusher

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 04:06 PM

Just read it... Glad I never never sold off any of my three armies or rebased my figures and fell into the chaos of AoS...   Will have to wait and see meanwhile this news may have relit the fires of my muse to continue the stories of Kraka Draka posted in the Preachers Corner....  If this is true then everyone please have a pint on my tab.... 



#3 Thorfar Salokin

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 04:11 PM

Haha - just posted this in the Tavern

Interesting to see. The old world continues to thrive in the gaming world & I once asked whether the community would buy a game centred around the Ubersreik 5 (the heroes from Vermintide). There was a fairly positive response. You often see conversions on there too

What is interesting is the negativity directed towards GWS and the AoS sometimes. Not sure if that's indicative of a lack of trust now. For instance would the 9th Age followers return to WHFB?

For me I'll keep an eye on how it develops. I continued playing 8th & simply developed the storyline in a different direction. Since then haven't had a lot to do with GWS over the last couple of years. Not sure that'll change - after all NEVER FORGET A GEUDGE

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 04:21 PM

I'm optimistic. Hopefully whatever GW do it ends up ok.

 

Oh, new Bretonnian army book pretty please?


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#5 Thorfar Salokin

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 05:02 PM

We should summon the reckoners to judge them

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 05:08 PM

I don't want to get too excited to early, but man I'd be so happy to have some form of fantasy back. My hunch is it will be a lot like the Horus Heresy game for 40k, different rules/setting for a time period set thousands of years before the current setting. Also if Forge World is responsible for developing these new rules, 3-4 year timeframe for this release would make a lot of sense seeing as the Horus Heresy campaign books might wrap up by then. 

 

 

Just read it... Glad I never never sold off any of my three armies or rebased my figures and fell into the chaos of AoS...   Will have to wait and see meanwhile this news may have relit the fires of my muse to continue the stories of Kraka Draka posted in the Preachers Corner....  If this is true then everyone please have a pint on my tab.... 

 

Same, I converted one army over to AoS but the majority of my old fantasy models, including my dwarves are still on squares. I'd be glad to see the stories of Kraka Drak making a return.  



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Posted 15 November 2019 - 06:30 PM

Hopefully they release some campaings for it and show it some more love than it got towards the end

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 08:26 PM

This does appear to be something of a trend with GW at present - what with Necromunda, Blood Bowl and sort-of Warhammer Quest coming back recently. They've got a huge back-catalogue, and it seems foolish not to tap into it. 

 

My hunch would be something Mordheim-esque in the first instance, as that's lower risk and has greater accessibility. I'd be very happy to have a rank-and-flank game back again, and maybe that'll happen, but given the way the wind is blowing in the gaming world (skirmish games are king, it appears - increasingly even in historical gaming circles), I sincerely doubt we'll get that.

 

I was bitterly disappointing many years ago when Forgeworld canned the Warhammer Forge line of books, most likely due to the take-off of Horus Heresy - I love the Tamurkhan and Monstrous Arcanum books, and was eagerly awaiting the Black Fire Pass book (the cover artwork was done - I saw it circulate online) when the series died a death. I'd love it if that came back; I was really liking what Forgeworld was doing with Warhammer. 

 



#9 Hero of Rome

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 08:51 PM

Honestly, I'd be happy with a new rulebook and updated army books for each army. Perhaps with some new models and campaign books if it takes off.



#10 Thorfar Salokin

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 02:05 AM

I bought Tamurkhan at GW HQ & was told it was the last one in stock .... phew! Although they might say that to all the customers ;-)

Will they do a new rulebook & army books? When you think about it that's a big undertaking? Possibly good vs evil. Not sure we'll see the detail there used to be

Can hope though. Bretonnians really needed some love!

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 06:39 AM

I  can see GW bringing out a series of multi-faction books not unlike what they've done for Lord of the Rings. I don't see something very similar to the Horus Heresy system as feasible, as that's a story with two main protagonists and a few onlookers, but then going into extreme detail into those two main antagonists. They could do maybe 5 books, so Chaos, Elves, 'raiders' (orcs, goblins, ogres etc.), Undead and humans and dwarfs sharing a book, something like that. 

 

Whatever they do, it will surely be smaller scale than the 'old' Warhammer - maybe not unlike the Lord of the Rings range now, which is substantial, and gradually increasing, but still very small compared to what it used to be.

 

However, my guess would be a skirmish scale game would be the focus (though maybe with rules for rank-and-flank battles but limited support for this). 

 

And Thorfar - yes, Tamurkhan was wonderful. Really pleased to hear you got a copy. I loved what Forgeworld was doing with Warhammer Fantasy.

 

I'm still sad this book never saw the light of day - one can hope it makes an emergence...

 

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#12 Thorfar Salokin

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 07:17 AM

Aaaah! The Battle for Blackfire Pass - that was an exciting prospect. There were even early releases seem to remember with dwarf character set - banner bearer and slayer?
Another suggestion I've heard is that theyd go to a smaller scale, say 15mm, hoping to generate more income. That'd be cynical even for GWS though
At some point I think we will see a full multimedia approach. GWS & WHFB have (or had) tabletop, video & console games, comics, novels & audio dramas. With networks looking for more and more content and the phenomenon of game of thrones there's potential in WHFB

#13 Lord Alisk

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 07:41 AM

I don't see GW going full in for a smaller scale version of Warhammer Fantasy (6-15mm), partly because their big selling point is that the miniatures are really good to paint (which 15mm scale human/dwarfs/elves or smaller aren't), but also because I'm not sure how well Warmaster did anyway. Also, unless they went for a reboot of Warmaster they'd have to re-do so many things to  make it more than the side-project I imagine it to be. 

 

I don't see a smaller scale generating significant income in itself, though there might be two parallel games using the same figures, again not unlike the Lord of the Rings / War of the Ring split which seemed to work well (I never played War of the Ring myself). This is partly because, unlike 40K, there isn't one overwhelmingly dominant faction (Space Marines) which something like 50% of the players collect, so for anything 40K related GW could do Space Marines + enemy, and get over 50% of the player base in one go, whereas  for Warhammer that wasn't an option - due to the more disparate collections they'd likely be better off with a bit of something for everyone (or nearly everyone). I just don't see GW bringing out a whole new range of 15mm or smaller figures for 10 or so armies.

 

I guess maybe a one-off boxed set (like the Five Armies box I'm miffed I never bought when I had the chance) might work though.

 

Black Fire Pass looked wonderful - Forgeworld did bring out a range of command sets for the main combatants. It's a real tragedy it never saw the light of day (if I recall, in the summer of 2012 it was rumoured due December 2012).



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Posted 16 November 2019 - 09:43 AM

Isnt FW the one developing the "new" Warhammer Fantasy? I hope they dont push out resin models, since they tend to be a be quite fragile (looking at you Finecast)

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 10:31 AM

Isnt FW the one developing the "new" Warhammer Fantasy? I hope they dont push out resin models, since they tend to be a be quite fragile (looking at you Finecast)

 

Finecast was/is a bit pants (I avoided it like the plague, but a few people I know got burned with it), but Forge World resin is very good I've found - or rather, I've never had the slightest issue with it, and the miniatures (as they lack weight) are more robust than metal ones in many ways (stronger joints and the like). 



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Posted 16 November 2019 - 11:12 AM

Funny to read the many different rumours around the internet 😀

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 01:30 PM

Something I'm very curious about, is whether Games Workshop will take the chance to delve into more areas of the Warhammer World. Albion, Vampire Coast or Cathay, for instance.

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Nippon in the 1980s, not seen in miniature form ever since.

This could be especially doable if the new Warhammer Fantasy take is more limited in scope than the vast army books of the past, with all their demands for miniature kits. The army book format in and of itself became a creative straitjacket for the GW studio. In the 1980s, they were free to release a handful of new figures whenever they felt like it, and thus explore Nippon, Halflings, Norsca, Fimir or a plethora of monsters with small investment of resources. In the 1990s-2000s, they were increasingly bound up in the demands of the army book threadmill. If they wanted to release something new, it had to either be a complete new army, or just something small on the spin-off side such as specialist games and Dreadfleet (for which the market wasn't good in those days, or at least marketing under Kirby wasn't up to the task) or summer campaign miniatures such as the Hellcannon, Middenheim and Albion miniatures delving into niche concepts.

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Kislev during 6th edition: A mini-army, later unsupported.

We did see Dogs of War and Chaos Dwarfs as a small new army in the 1990s (unsupported after 5th edition up to 8th), and a small army for Kislev in 6th edition, unsupported thereafter. Warmaster sported Araby, but Warmaster was not a great hit. Ogre Kingdoms was the one new big army, or one of two if you count the Daemons of Chaos' expanded range, and it needed an entire miniature range.

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Chaos Dwarfs: 1990s army, yet left out in the cold for most of Warhammer Fantasy.

Then there were fun thematic armies in White Dwarf, such as Kemmler's Barrow legion, Vampire Coast, Clan Moulder and the Gnoblar Horde. Building on existing modelling ranges and often requiring conversions: Which was part of the fun, for sure, but ensured it stayed a tiny niche and opened up for small companies to produce models GW weren't. This problem of inviting in the small competition to open new niches was much exacerbated when studio designers during 7th edition introduced new units in army lists which did not yet sport official models, such as Forsaken.

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Dreadfleet: One last exploratory hurrah before the End Times.

This commercial bind ultimately put dampeners on Warhammer's creative potential: It is huge, and can be explored to much greater extent with a more limited setup than army book-threadmill WHFB of old. But ultimately GW would want to produce models for anything peripheral they delve into, and that mean they may well shy away from introducing more things on the periphery of the background, to not give competitors possible bones to snatch.

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Fimir: A weird 1980s creation because the CEO wanted Warhammer to have its very own fantasy race. Resurrected lately by Forgeworld after decades of hibernation.

So there may be little in the way of brand new additions to the glorious setting, such as Inca Dwarfs in Lustria, fantasy Songhai and so on. And there may potentially also be little in the way of covering already existing periphery stuff such as Khureshi Nagas, Albion, Ind, Norsca and so on; this obviously depends on commercial success, how limited in scope the new game and miniature ranges will be, and on budget or will within the studio.

This is a long-standing limit to driving the creative potential of Games Workshop's own grimdark, historically based, classic fantasy smörgåsbord setting to the hilt. It remains to be seen if and how GW will tackle this obstacle.

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 05:15 PM

Well looks like I’m not going to rebase any of my old dwarf warriors, quarellers, or cannons. That’s good news!

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 05:26 PM

I seriously hope that GW will keep our existing models compatible with whatever this is going to be,



#20 Thorfar Salokin

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Posted 16 November 2019 - 06:07 PM

I've still got some of the nippon and norse figures! Great minis

The pygmies were a bit unfortunate though.




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