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#1 sgreg308

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:54 AM

Ive been reading the battle tome and I have to say, im enjoying this one alot. I think this battle tomes content is solid and the fluff for the KO has me excited to start a new life as an admiral in a sky pirate fleet. The concept of aether gold is awesome as well. Id say GW knocked it outta the park with the fluff, art and aesthetic of these guys. Now ive just got to purchase, assemble and paint a little escort wing or so and i can start getting a feel for this undoubtedly tough to master army.

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#2 Thorvald the Relentless

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 01:45 PM

It is in fact one of the best in AoS so far and much better than anything in WHFB ever was, along with the Flesh eater courts and Beastclaw raiders. Aye, steampunk dwarves are nothing new, and the concept of their society resembles Fyreslayers that much, but nevertheless.



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Posted 10 October 2017 - 03:29 PM

I agree. I have some beastclaw raiders as well. I like their fluff alot. Its much much better imo than the whfb version of ogres. My only big gripe wirh AoS fluff thus far, in terms of new stuff, has to be the way the universe is laid out. It seems too interstellar/interdemnsional or something like that. I dunno what im trying to say here but I like having solid reference points in the universe im gaming in. This seems to be changing over time though and im finding myself behinning to grasp the setting a little better with each battle tome.

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Posted 10 October 2017 - 06:24 PM

It is interstellar in fact, it's a DnD style universe with lots of worlds and is based on a Old Norse mythology concept, for instance, where are several worlds grouped around the World Tree. Actually, the AoS Primer and Getting started with the Age of Sigmar explain this stuff pretty well.



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 10:55 AM

It is in fact one of the best in AoS so far and much better than anything in WHFB ever was, along with the Flesh eater courts and Beastclaw raiders. Aye, steampunk dwarves are nothing new, and the concept of their society resembles Fyreslayers that much, but nevertheless.

 

Only better if you like planescape over a more grounded setting. AoS is super super high fantasy and really feels like planescape. WHF was much more grounded in things that are recognizable and can be easily understood.



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 01:32 PM

It is in fact one of the best in AoS so far and much better than anything in WHFB ever was, along with the Flesh eater courts and Beastclaw raiders. Aye, steampunk dwarves are nothing new, and the concept of their society resembles Fyreslayers that much, but nevertheless.


Only better if you like planescape over a more grounded setting. AoS is super super high fantasy and really feels like planescape. WHF was much more grounded in things that are recognizable and can be easily understood.

Tru, but recognize how long Aos has been out versus the length of time fantasy had to build up. Of course it will be easier to get your bearings in whfb especially when its not quite high fantasy. AoS gets more recognizable too with every release. But I feel what youre sayin.

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 01:39 PM

 

It is in fact one of the best in AoS so far and much better than anything in WHFB ever was, along with the Flesh eater courts and Beastclaw raiders. Aye, steampunk dwarves are nothing new, and the concept of their society resembles Fyreslayers that much, but nevertheless.

 

Only better if you like planescape over a more grounded setting. AoS is super super high fantasy and really feels like planescape. WHF was much more grounded in things that are recognizable and can be easily understood.

 

WHFB was this much only during the latest editions - 6-8, before it was much like AoS, so no, not really. AoS is a high fantasy like DnD, MtG and such stuff and this is great, for historicals and pseudo-historicals we have and always had plenty, WHFB was just one of them, but AoS has no direct parallels and analogues.



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Posted 22 October 2017 - 05:24 PM

 

 

It is in fact one of the best in AoS so far and much better than anything in WHFB ever was, along with the Flesh eater courts and Beastclaw raiders. Aye, steampunk dwarves are nothing new, and the concept of their society resembles Fyreslayers that much, but nevertheless.

 

Only better if you like planescape over a more grounded setting. AoS is super super high fantasy and really feels like planescape. WHF was much more grounded in things that are recognizable and can be easily understood.

 

WHFB was this much only during the latest editions - 6-8, before it was much like AoS, so no, not really. AoS is a high fantasy like DnD, MtG and such stuff and this is great, for historicals and pseudo-historicals we have and always had plenty, WHFB was just one of them, but AoS has no direct parallels and analogues.

 

 

It wasn't. Even in the more weird days, the setting was fairly established. It was still dark fantasy, just dark with a sense of british humor. Fantasy lost the humor and became more serious (although it did it much better than 40k's attempt to be serious).

 

Age of Sigmar is high fantasy. WHF never was. Not even in the very first edition. WHF was always gothic fantasy.



#9 Thorvald the Relentless

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 09:19 PM

There is no such thing as "gothic fantasy", and I never said it was exactly the same. It was much like high fantasy back in the day - you just need to read "Realm of Chaos" dilogy to realize how different it all felt those times. The read is pretty marvelous, actually, although it's not only a fluff book but also the book replete with tables, pictures and other game info. 



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 11:35 AM

There are no strict definitions on high, low, etc... Fantasy.

But the general consensus has to do with technology level and the amount of magic present.

Medival fantasy is a medieval tech level - magic is usually rare and not part of daily life. D&D is medieval fantasy but magic is more abundant.

Low fantasy - conan the barbarian

High fantasy - renaissance tech or above. Magic is abundant, high tech stuff usually explained by calling it magic.

Super high fantasy - a term people use when frustrated by the lack of classification systems for all this fantasy stuff.
Tech level is basically sci-fi but its all explained with magic because the writer didn't want to research science stuff.

Mytholigical Fantasy - greek gods stuff, AoS stuff. Magic is everywhere. Tech level can be whatever because its all magic anyway. Its not that writer is lazy, its just that explaining how stars move, planets get warped, dimenional travel, etc... Is kinda boring with scientific explanation. And our current scientific explanation is pretty much a guess anyway.

The WFB was a mix.
Mostly it was medieval fantasy. If you go to the chaos wastes and stuff then you got lots of magic. ...if you go to flying lizardmen pyramids then you got the sci-fi high fantasy.

The old world had a bit for everyone. Those of us who came for medieval fantasy liked reading about the dwarfs and empire. Some people like the higher fantasy so like reading about chaos gods and stuff. And some people just liked dinosaurs.

AoS out of the gate was pure mythological fantasy. And some of us just aren't that into it. I see why GW did it. They already got 40k so might as well corner the mythological fantasy market. And dimensional worlds and high fantasy means you can throw any old creative thing in, explain it with a lightening bolt and presto! You got copyrightable gizmos that defy science! Lol.

Glad to hear the KO fluff is good. I'll be gettinf the xmas box just to build and paint. ....probably never play a game.

Edited by The Peacemaker, 21 November 2017 - 11:46 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2017 - 03:20 PM

Vince on youtube makes a pretty description on what type of fantasy AoS isrules.

#12 Thorvald the Relentless

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 03:21 PM

There are no strict definitions on high, low, etc... Fantasy.

 

There are, if you read, say, Wikipedia. It's not just magic, it's a lot of factors, and, for one, DnD is not medieval fantasy. HF usually and typically includes planes, science, magic, technology, highly developed culture, lots of different and various races and peoples, not just humanoids disguised as non-humans, etc. It's hard to explain if people believe DnD is medieval, especially worlds like Eberron or Dark Sun, sure. But then you could take a look at MtG and realize at least something.



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:18 PM

D&D uses medieval technology. It has alot of magic.
I would still class it as medieval fantasy based solely on the tech.

Here is a fun one that shows how unbound the classifications are.

The Warcraft universe started as medieval fantasy. But as they progressed the story it quickly became high fantasy.

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#14 Thorvald the Relentless

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:44 PM

D&D uses medieval technology. It has alot of magic.
I would still class it as medieval fantasy based solely on the tech.

 

Eberron or Dark Sun then fall out of this category, and Ravenloft is something else entirely, so no, They are all too different and are organized in a high fantasy manner.

 

 

The Warcraft universe started as medieval fantasy. But as they progressed the story it quickly became high fantasy.

True. But WC is also a slippery slope because it borders the high and medieval fantasy and tends to be more the latter than the former. And anyway, such crucial changes happen sometimes.






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