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[Ratvan]

Hi All,

 

In an attempt to quickly be able to deploy a Dawi force on the table in the near future I have signed myself up to a little 1500 tournament that is taking place on the 15th February, these tournaments usually attract roughly 22-24 players and have a nice mix of armies in attendance.

 

I have decided after seeing a few threads around here that I want to try out a Strollaz list and think that this 1500 point tourney will enable me to get a grip on how the army needs to play as well as forming a strong core for other point limit games (2000 and 2400 are the most common with 3k being only occasionally undertaken)

 

Here is the list that I have made up;

 

Runesmith - 113 pts

Shield, Ro Stone, Ro Spelbreaking x2

 

Thane - 188 pts

Battle Standard Bearer, Shield, MRo Grungi, Strollaz

 

22 Longbeards - 378 pts

Great Weapons, Musician, Standard Bearer, Stoicism, Ro Sanctuary

 

24 Hammerers - 391 pts

Musician, Standard Bearer, Strollaz

 

Gyrocopter - 100 pts

Steam Gun, Vanguard

 

Gyrocopter - 100 pts

Steam Gun, Vanguard

 

Gyrocopter - 80 pts

Brimstone Gun

 

5 Rangers - 70 pts

 

5 Rangers - 70 pts

 

I have made  a few choices that I think need explanation as to my decision making, BSB I have decided to go for Grungi and Strollaz since I really want my Longbeards to be Stubborn, essentially this is more important to me on this unit then Strollaz and in effect they will be stubborn until I lose the Standard within the unit which should take longer then sniping my BSB. The other reason I want this unit to be stubborn is so that they can act independently of the Hammerers and not have two units that need to be in proximity to each other.

 

Gyrocopter with Brimstone Gun, a couple of reasons for the inclusion of these. Firstly I need some ranged flaming attacks in the list since I will not be taking any other form of War Machines as I am wanting the list to be as mobile as possible (for Dwarfs) since I know that I will encounter Trolls of various types and I am fairly certain that one of my opponents will be using a high number of Dryads and possibly a Treeman in his list. Second reason is that Spamming units is generally frowned upon, I know that I have 4 Gyrocopters but since I only have 2 of each type this is generally accepted as I am also wanting Sportsmanship Points for the tournament.

 

2x 5 Rangers, I had the points remaining for these units and do believe that I need something that I can scout forward to attempt to contest decent Vanguard lanes against Elven Fast Cavalry. I'm not sold on these units but see little else that I want to include for the points

Edited by Ratvan, 29 January 2015 - 12:53 PM.

[Pellegrim]

This is a Strollaz list I like and think is strong, wel done!

[Ratvan]

This is a Strollaz list I like and think is strong, wel done!

 

Cheers, I really wanted to fit another Gyrocopter into the list but that would have put me 1point over my special allowance :grumble.

 

Hopefully I can get the Gyro's and Hammerers purchased and painted in time

[Balric Fireforged]

Overall, I like the list, but I do have some thoughts:

I don't get why you have RoSanctuary on the Greatbeards... except maybe as a bargain Runesmith for them since your actual Runesmith will be in the Hammerers for Kingsguard? RoSanctuary is pretty much only used for rule of pride purposes.

The Brimstone gun really is that bad. Relying on it for flaming attacks will leave you dissappointed. The other thing to realize is that the flaming attacks only benefit other shooting attacks, not your close combat ones, and you only have other gyros for shooting... which means that any target your brimstone gun shoots at will require a second gyro just to capitalise on regen stripping (if it even manages to do it). Gyros need to be out causing mayhem on an individual basis, since you don't have the units to box people in... you can't afford to be forced to double them up on something like trolls.

My suggestions would be to take a steam cannon on all the gyros (and if they don't like spamming units, they can stuff it... you're already playing a strollaz list with no artillery... besides, DoC...) and find a way to get a keeper of the gate with RoFire, or if that's too expensive, just get RoFire on the Runesmith. I think if you dropped RoSanctuary from the Greatbeards, you could do that. 3 flaming attacks from the keeper, followed by hammerers into trolls ought to make a squishy mess of them.

Edited by Balric Fireforged, 12 January 2015 - 05:29 PM.

[Ratvan]

Ok so dropping Sanctuary means I need another Greatbeard to hit core tax, drop a Hammerer to get a Champion with Ro Fire and Ro Furnace for the Runesmith since I'd need to drop Ro Passage as well for the points for flaming.

I hadnt actually considered Kingsguard had completely overlooked that rule so dropping the Hammerer is probably making my Runesmith safer as well as giving the Hammerers a bit more protection.

[Balric Fireforged]

Yeah, if you were planning on having the smith in the Greatbeards, then I really have no idea why they had RoSanctuary. I think you've made good adjustments.

I still think the removal of the brimstone gun is fairly mandatory. It's such a worthless piece of kit, and the steam gun is sooooooooooooo good, especially in a Strollaz list. As you will be doing all of your killing in close combat, you really need those steam guns to kill chaff.

[Ratvan]

It (Sanctuary) was purely so the Greatbeards and Characters numbered 24 and I could deploy them and the Hammerers 6*3 as well as meeting core tax, but then again it added nothing

[Balric Fireforged]

By my count, 23 longbeards with great weapon, Standard (RoStoicism) and musician is 377, which is 2 more than min core for 1500, and can be deployed 6x4 with the BSB.

Edited by Balric Fireforged, 12 January 2015 - 10:27 PM.

[Ratvan]

Ok so those minor tweaks look like

 

Runesmith - 118 pts

Shield, Ro Stone, Ro Spelbreaking x2, Ro Furnace

 

Thane - 188 pts

Battle Standard Bearer, Shield, MRo Grungi, Strollaz

 

23 Longbeards - 377 pts

Great Weapons, Musician, Standard Bearer, Stoicism

 

23 Hammerers - 397 pts

Full Command, Ro Fire, Strollaz

 

Gyrocopter - 100 pts

Steam Gun, Vanguard

 

Gyrocopter - 100 pts

Steam Gun, Vanguard

 

Gyrocopter - 80 pts

Steam Gun

 

5 Rangers - 70 pts

 

5 Rangers - 70 pts

 

Rune of Furnace because I have no idea what to do with the remaining 5 points

[Balric Fireforged]

I love it. Go forth and smash.

[Ratvan]

Right then,

 

I have been thinking of how to splash more cash on this list and have come up with this 2400 point variant, I have not yet played with the 1500 point list as real life is getting in the way so will have to wait until the Tournament on the 15th to try out the 1500 version.

 

Anyway - 2400 Points - I like the thought of having multiple breath weapons in a Dwarf Army

 

Runesmith - 128 pts (Longbeards)

Shield, Fiery Ring of Thori, Ro Stone, Ro Spellbreaking

 

Runesmith - 113 pts (General, Hammerers) 

Shield, Ro Stone, Ro Spellbreaking x2

 

Thane - 188 pts (Longbeards)

Shield, Battle Standard Bearer, MRo Grungi, Strollaz

 

Dragon Slayer - 120 pts (Slayers)

Ro Fire x2

 

39 Longbeards - 601 pts

Great Weapons, Musician, Standard Bearer, Ro Stoicism

 

29 Hammerers - 481 pts

Full Command, Ro Fire, Strollaz

 

29 Slayers - 418 pts

Musician, Standard Bearer, Strollaz, Ro Sanctuary

 

Gyrocopter - 100 pts

Steam Gun, Vanguard

 

Gyrocopter - 100 pts

Steam Gun, Vanguard

 

Gyrocopter - 80 pts

Steam Gun

 

5 Rangers - 70 pts