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#1 Wendersnaven

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 07:11 AM

Hello all! :smiling:  I've been taking inspiration from the many gyrocopter conversions on the forum. Having ordered a box of my own, I'm going to strip it down for parts and actually make 4 or 5 gyrocopters out of it- using bits and extras that I've bought of course.

 

A BIG THANK YOU to Veles sharing his conversion which can be found here: http://www.bugmansbr...ge-2?hl=viking  Using his and others ideas I'm attempting my own conversions.

 

 

I procured some variations of the Lego ship used by Veles, opting for some smaller sizes. Using styrofoam and copper wire, the plan is to get the balloons to be self supported. This is tricky and  I'm going to need some advice on descisions. I have enough materials before I use the GW parts to make two of each.

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The first challenge was destroying a Lego model... it was hard but I got some holes drilled and wires in. Then I had to relearn my geometry as I carved grooves into the ball for the small balloon.

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It worked out rather well and I had to do some adjusting. O.K. a lot! of adjusting. I made one groove deep and the other average so as to be able to overlap the wire. The scond picture shows what happens when you try to adjust the four wires after they've already been crimped and cut. Things became uneven, especially after the gluing. My OCD at seeing the picture made me grab the model and fix it up a bit. Hopefully it will look better as things go.

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So there's the little one's prototype. I don't think I will have to try it again with the second batch of materials, unless someone throws some good ideas out there. :detective:  The wires have been straightened to give it a hanging appearance. I feel like I should put something around the middle; something more than the line that was a natural part of the styrofoam. I need to devise some sort of propulsion and something neat for the front. ( I have a telescope from the Empire mansion laying around somewhere.) The barrel rider is going to be an old model whose staff will be removed and replaced with a grenade launching blunderbuss from my Empire bits. I'm thinking that's about the best thing I have for depicting how it does a flame template of damage. Any flame gun ideas or better solutions?

 

 

 

I learned my lesson with the first balloon and measured much better for what will be my gryobomber.

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Orientation detail is important too.

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I left things loose and gave myself plenty of slack this time. I don't want to drek it up. The copper wire support system is working perfectly.

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This one will be a little bit easier to manage as the copper ends will be hidden under the boat and out of sight.

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I'm a little worried about keeping things even and making the physics of the suspended balloon looks real. I have an idea to drill into the styrofoam toward the bottom of the balloon and feed the copper wires into it. Then the wires would come out of the bottom at the exact width of the holes in the boat. After that I could pull the wires tight and glue them, then measure each line to make sure they are exact and straight (presuambly from the tension of the boat). What do ya'll think if the wires dissapear towards the bottom of the styrofoam?  Perhaps I could cut patch wire to make it look like it still went around, or just braid things through? :detective:

 

There's a bunch more to do of course. The W.I.P. will be waiting on me sanding the mould lines off of the plastic gyrocopter parts, then filling some of their areas with green stuff when I glue the peices together. That's to make them solid inside so I can drill, pin, and glue the tail to the boat. I'll probably be trying my hand at green stuff in the bottom of each ship to cover the holes and Lego tabs. This will also help with the height of the model riding inside them. The ballist balloons with the bombs from the gyrocopter kit will mount on the sides of the boat, set a little to the for'ard to as to maintain balance. There's an anchor to weigh, and a steering wheel to mount with the crew. Then there's all the little plates and decorative bits.  The part I'm most excited for is putting Shields on the side to give it that Viking Longship look.

 

Hope you've enjoyed the trip to the forge! Hava gooday all. :yes


Edited by Wendersnaven, 04 June 2014 - 02:01 AM.


#2 Giant collector

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:34 PM

Great start .I can't wait to see how this all comes together. I like the first one more so far. Maybe use the 1987 bolt thrower officer crewman with the telescope. His left hand is extended and could be made to be holding the wire/cable. Best of luck, Gc



#3 Theatralic

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 12:55 PM

This is great, can`t wait. I got myself the Parts for one as well, only missing the Styroegg since I need to find a Shop who has them. Didn`t want to shell out 4 Bucks of Shipping for a 30 Cent Egg.



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Posted 21 May 2014 - 01:37 PM

Shell out for eggs lol. You crack me up!!

#5 Wendersnaven

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Posted 22 May 2014 - 03:14 AM

Thanks all, and hope people enjoy looking. This is my favorite part of the hobby.

 

So I did some experimenting and playing around with wires and there is a need for constant adjustment, why? Because I have O.C.D. and must make them perfectly straight. With elatisity as the name of the game, I realized Veles' rubber bands were handy for not only taking on the round shape of the item, but holding the wires in place. <Thanks again mate!>

 

So this little guy will probably be scrapped as a prototype and I can do a better/cleaner job on the next using rubber bands. Here's the bolt thrower guy Giant Collector mentioned. He fits nicely:

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(Almost got a hail out to Brittannia with my produce rubber bands.)

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The other reason I'll scrap and redo the little one, is for the happy accident I had with Green Stuff.  I'm terrible with it! :wallbash:  Whilst trying to smooth out the bottom of the boat I got it everywhere and made a real mess of things. I had to do it all underwater so it wouldn't harden, as it took me an hour of fiddling with to even get the bottom even. The green stuff got stretched out into a thin sort of layer, and I had the thought to put it on the sides of the ship. After messing around with it, I essentially was stretching Green-Hide over the boat- ironic no? Once that was done I played around and decided to make boards, and got the shape I wanted after redoing it a few times. Between my fingerprints, and a hooked putty tool, I believe I've manufactured a woody surface. I think it will go great, but the clash of colors is pretty horrible atm.

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I was able to anchor the wheel, and will be wheeling the anchor later... or was it the other way around? Anyway, i redrilled the holes and lined the copper wire up, cut it and bent it underneath so it is secure and will stand on its own. I put a little glue in there and before I go to bed I'll be using green stuff to secure it in place. This will anchor it well and allow room for flexing in the future. I think it will go really well if I can get it to look good once painted and adorned with extras and crew.

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I am debating what kind of a bottom to put on it. Perhaps round it out like a real boat? Or flatbottom it to show that it's versatile, land or sea? Anyway, here's what it's like so far. I've got quite a ways to go with it.

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As a bonus today, I gave this little guy a hat and pinned then glued a blunderbuss thing to the end of his gun. Thinking a flame template can some out of there.

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Edited by Wendersnaven, 22 May 2014 - 03:14 AM.


#6 Oridur

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Posted 22 May 2014 - 04:15 AM

Wow, very, very cool!  :thumbup:



#7 Wendersnaven

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:18 AM

So I talked with one of my hobby friends (he does planes and such) and he pointed out the rubber bands drying up and cracking even if I sealed them. So I used vinyl tape around the balloon to separate the sections on the zepplin. I fairly certain everything is facing the right way as there is a difference of opinion on which way the pointy end of the balloon is.

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I had to cut the tape to make it fit nice.

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Creating the stand out of the brass pipe I had wasn't too difficult. I cut and flanged the ends.

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I began to glue some of the plastic add-ons to it. I used the rope section and some green stuff around the wheel. After an hour of trying to glue two round ended tooth picks to the old GT rope part I gave up, tooled some sockets in two shields I had laying around, glued it, cut them, then mounted them into greenstuff blocks. I didn't get a pic of the anchor but I drilled a hole for the chain and anchor and green stuffed it into the helm of the boat.

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The stand will be curing over night. I have to think of something neat to put under it. Any IDEAS would be more than welcome. :yes  I was wondering if I could make the rod look like the smoke trail of a bomb and put an explosion underneath it. Or perhaps some wreckage. I have some old orcs that could become exploding enemies but I'd like to keep the theme universal. 

 

Anyway, the boat balances just fine as you can see. The small balloons with the bombs attached will go right on the sides where the new steering assembly is. This will hopefully enhance its balance and center of gravity, as well as look neat. Once the stand cures I'll stick to boat to it and green stuff an entire keel to the bottom. Then I have shields to mount on the sides, prow and chain links on the support wires. (I didn't fill them in as I'm hoping it looks like pressure causing the grooves in the balloon.) I have a Dawi face and lantern lined up for the front of the balloon- it has to see where it's going right? Side decorations, crew, and fixes too; I seem to have much more to do.

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#8 Feargus

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:40 AM

Brilliant.

 

I was thinking of doing the same thing, but using styrofoam is a great shout. I'm glad to hear you're adding a keel.

 

I'm going to use this chap as a pilot: 

 

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Might fit your piece too.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:42 AM

looking VERY nice.

 

Hint: dropped bombs don't have trails :)

 

I think just paint it black and decorate below.



#10 Feargus

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:48 AM

What you could do is have smoke rising from a crater, with mangled enemies around the edges. You could have the smoke drifting over the sides of the 'boat' and a Dwarf looking over the edge to survey the damage.



#11 Giant collector

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:05 PM

Actually the guy I meant has the telescope right up to his eye. I can't see the telescope on that guy. Gc



#12 The Ol' Perfesser

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 01:58 PM

Great project!  Love what you've done so far.

I'm not a fan of the new gyrocopters....your conversions are much more fun! 

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 10:45 PM

Thanks all! I'm having fun with it.

 

I realized I could do better on the stand so I redid it today and will have to wait until later tonight to mount the zepplin. I added a washer underneath and a big nut on the base which I will smooth some green stuff over after I decide what to do for scenery. I measured it also to make sure it was perfectly centered unlike the last one. This is Dwarphen (ven,fen) craftsmanship, not Umgi after all. This part also reminds me of painting models. There's that point where the thing looks terrible because not everything is together. I got more green-stuff to do.

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Got out my favorite Dremmel carving tool and went to work on a BFSP Slayer. What do you guys think about having a figurehead like this?

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Before I go get another Wednesday night beating from my Cub-Scouts, I decided on my crew and carved out the old bolt thrower crewman's hand. Drunky and Loudy, the eighth and ninth Dwarphs everyone. They are the same era and are dynamic, so I'm going to have them be my crew. The hand fits very nicely on the wire and it looks like he's either yelling "Bomb's Away!" or just yelling at Drunky to wake up.

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The crew aren't attached yet, naturally, they'll be painted separate and added last. I might just put pins in their feet and hole the deck so they are removeable. The anchor chain can move so I'm thinking of maybe a pole and a crank in the front to wrap some of it around. Besides deciding on the figurehead, I'd like to know if anyone has ideas for what can fill in the empty space in the bow and the stern?



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:21 AM

Shaping up!  Looking very, very cool!



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 04:41 AM

I'd like to know if anyone has ideas for what can fill in the empty space in the bow and the stern?

Stowage? Some open boxes of bombs with others covered in canvas maybe. You could add some steam punky devices (that have a very important but unidentifiable purpose). If you're not opposed to picking up bits off eBay (I'm assuming not, since you got that tailfin from somewhere ;) ), the new gyrocopter has two small mechanical bits as well as some nice belt drive bits.

Good luck!

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 05:05 AM

Could consider adding a mysterious hatch. I'd expect an enterprising Dwarf with an airship to object to the idea of import duty on traded wares.....



#17 Feargus

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 05:13 AM

Oh, also, the little round balloon is going to cause me no end of extra work, as I'm now going to have to add "spotter" balloons to all my warmachines.



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 03:20 PM

Lovely conversions! I have to agree with the rest of ppl here. They look way more characterful than the gyrofish!

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 05:34 PM

Thanks for the ideas and encouragement.

 

I do have three more bombs I can steal from the other tail section, load them aboard in a box. There should be a hatch as they wouldn't waste all the space that will be added when I scuplt the keel on today. I was thinking of fuel also. I have a bunch of oil barrels from my miners bits.



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Posted 01 October 2014 - 11:06 AM

Absolutely awesome love the airship theme instead of gyro's.





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