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[Zarukhad]

Hello,

I am attending the Crossroads GT in upstate New York in September. Here is the linkto the semi-ETC restrictions, note that special characters are allowed case by case (mine has been approved). I am currently considering using a Bugman's rangers list, primarily due to the nature of the restrictions on other armies and the scenarioswhich will be played. Here is my list:


Runelord: Rune of Spellbreaking x2, Anvil of Doom, Great Weapon = 371
Thane: BSB, MR of Gromril, MR of Challenge, Rune of Brotherhood, Great Weapon = 169
Joseph Bugman = 155
28 Longbeard Rangers (Bugmans): FCG, Great Weapons, Rune of Determination = 437
30 Longbeard Rangers: Mus, Std, Great Weapons = 435

Grudge Thrower: 2x Rune of Penetration, Rune of Accuracy, Engineer = 170
Cannon: Rune of Forging, Rune of Burning, Engineer = 145
30 Miners: FCG, Steam Drill = 380
10 Miners: Mus = 115

Organ Gun = 120

Total: 2497

My reasoning is that the scenarios contain a number of objectives, and with the ETC style restrictions, the gunline is not viable, while the singles aspect means that I need to win big every game. The anvil is fairly standard for a rangers list, and the organ gun is there to protect the warmachines. And I always have the option of deploying gunline style as well if necessary. The key power of the list is the single deployment drop (warmachines) and the ability to react to however my enemy deploys. Thoughts?

EDIT: Revised it to be the current list.

Edited by Zarukhad, 15 August 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[Zarukhad]

Any thoughts?

[Meller]

You have 2514 point in this list? :S
But i would remove one Thane, because you have bugman as a character also
and maybe do the longbeards units bigger (40) and the miners smaller, maybe 15 og 20, and a small of 5 to go in rear rank of what your facing with your longbeards, or going on warmachines
And your BSB can´t have GW

[Zarukhad]

Ah, sorry about that, it should be 29 rangers in the second unit.

Please note the restrictions: BSB's can take great weapons and shields, and units are capped at 450 points, along with some other stuff.

[elspedo]

Really like this list will be trying it out myself next week I would personally drop that second thane and make the GT a cannon and fit a Gyro in then play with remaining pts

[elspedo]

Just as a follow up to this have played about 7 games since my last post with a similar list at 2400:

Runelord, AoD, stone, shield, 2x spellbreaker
Thane 1+, scouting, challenge
bugman
2x 28 lb ranger muso standard
2x25 miners FC steamdrill
cannon forge
cannon forge fire

I think its a very good list, it catches people off guard as everything is 12" away or coming from behind which forces them to castle which is when you pop challenge and fire your miners into the gaps, or if its a no win match up everything goes in opposite corners.

I am thinking of making the lb rangers and one unit of miners bigger (bearing in min 450 pts unit cap in UK) and reducing the smaller one to 18 or may just two units of 5 but will have to play test it a bit more first.

Edited by elspedo, 14 August 2012 - 05:43 PM.

[Tegnus Vagnarsson]

Where do you put your Runelord with that list?

[Thokag Bittersson]

You can have only one Brotherhood Rune. Other than that your list looks solid. I'll try a similar list. But I'll be using 2 units of miners and one big unit of LB rangers. But that's because I'm not limited by ETC or any other rules at the moment.

Edited by Thokag Bittersson, 14 August 2012 - 02:06 PM.

[elspedo]

Sorry runelord is on the AoD, kind of makes the whole list work

Only one rune of brotherhood as bugman gets it in his profile.

[Zarukhad]

Glad to see other folks like the idea!

I have dropped the second thane, and added a 10 man miners unit. Do you guys think spelleating or 2x spellbreaking is better?

[elspedo]

Glad to see other folks like the idea!

I have dropped the second thane, and added a 10 man miners unit. Do you guys think spelleating or 2x spellbreaking is better?

I always take 2 spellbreakers over the spelleater as its only a 50/50 shot you get rid of the spell and 2 scrolls allows you to completely shut down a single magic phase and even just using one means you are in control if they chuck loads of dice at a spell and don't get IF.

[Tegnus Vagnarsson]

Sorry runelord is on the AoD, kind of makes the whole list work

Ah! Thank makes sense

You can have only one Brotherhood Rune.

Actually, the Brotherhood rune is not a Master rune, so you can have multiples (just not on the same character. But why would you want to do that?), as long as you don't repeat the same combination on 2 or more items.

Edited by Tegnus Vagnarsson, 15 August 2012 - 12:11 AM.

[Thokag Bittersson]

Sorry for the off topic. But Rune of the Brotherhood says "one use only". Then how can you have more characters with it? I'm confused. It's a paradox, because it also says "multiples of this rune has no further effect" so there's a possibility of having more of it, but it's pointless.

[Tegnus Vagnarsson]

That just means a character with the rune can only use it once (how could you use it more times?) and if you have multiples of the Rune of Brotherhood on the same item (i.e. a talisman), that it will have no additional effect. But you can for example have a thane with MRo Challenge and Ro Brotherhood on his talisman, and a Runesmith with 2x spellbreaker runes and a Ro Brotherhood on his talisman and it is completely legal.

Edited by Tegnus Vagnarsson, 15 August 2012 - 10:02 AM.

[Thokag Bittersson]

Oh, thank you for the explanation. I guess the wording is to blame. Zarukhad, when you have a chance to try the list, tell us how it went.

[Meller]

like i understand you can only use one brotherhood in the army?? like thokag say, but why is it not called a master rune then?? so well you can have more of them? but a normal dispell dice, there stand "one use only", so im still wondering... so you can´t have more than one?? does it make sense what i write?? Im not english at all, and are pretty bad to it so hope you understand

[Zarukhad]

I played a wood elf player. His approcimate list IIRC, some stuff may be missing:

several units of glade guard
several units of dryads
scouts
BSB w/ hail of doom
Alter lord with ward and stubborn crown
lvl 4 with beasts
a bunch of redirecter branchwraiths
6 treekin
2 wild rider units
2 eagles

20-0 victory for the dwarves. Deployed fairly close to his units, anvil'd the miners in, and proceeded to delete units and then mop up.

Edited by Zarukhad, 15 August 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[Tegnus Vagnarsson]

like i understand you can only use one brotherhood in the army?? like thokag say, but why is it not called a master rune then?? so well you can have more of them? but a normal dispell dice, there stand "one use only", so im still wondering... so you can´t have more than one?? does it make sense what i write?? Im not english at all, and are pretty bad to it so hope you understand

One use only means you can only use it once, for the Ro Brotherhood you use it during the deployment phase. The wording "One use only" is redundant because of course it can only be used once, you can only deploy the character once.

Multiples have no effect means if you put more than one on the same character, the extra ones will have no additional effect. Again this is redundant with the Ro Brotherhood because you can only deploy the character once, in one unit. Having 2 runes of Brotherhood would not do anything any way.

The only time you can not have a rune multiple times is in the case of Master Runes, that is why they are Master Runes. Ro Brotherhood is not a Master Rune. It's just like Ro Stone. It says "multiple have no effect" which means you can only ever get +1 AS from it.

I played a wood elf player. His approcimate list IIRC, some stuff may be missing:

several units of glade guard
several units of dryads
scouts
BSB w/ hail of doom
Alter lord with ward and stubborn crown
lvl 4 with beasts
a bunch of redirecter branchwraiths
6 treekin
2 wild rider units
2 eagles

20-0 victory for the dwarves. Deployed fairly close to his units, anvil'd the miners in, and proceeded to delete units and then mop up.

Well done! Congrats on the win

Edited by Tegnus Vagnarsson, 15 August 2012 - 11:28 PM.

[elspedo]

Hi Zarukhad, how is the list going for you? I have been adapting a version of it for a tournament here in the UK its changed a little from my above post but I have been writing a battle blog about it if you/any one else is interested to see how the list works in competative play.

http://www.bugmansbr...ds/#entry416556