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#1 thegreatoxe

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:46 AM

Ok. Now that I'm close to being done building all my Dawi. I need to start thinking of a Dwarven name for my stronghold.

I have not written any fluff for it. But I have been thinking about how throng and how it operates.


We are resolute and unchanging in our ways.
We are just as likely to give a lending hand as to forget you completely (or write your name in the Book of Grudges).
We are all or nothing.
We are known to have the strength of a minotaur (my nickname has ALWAYS been "The Oxe").


I have several Google Chrome tabs open explaining the Khazalid tongue.

My confusion is how do people come up with their names based on that.

I will be a Kazak a (insert name here)....

Any help would be awesome!

Thanks!

#2 Alebelly_Cragfist

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:09 AM

Kazak means 'war', no?

It all depends on your aspirations. You can be from a mountain/stronghold (Karak) or volcano (Karag) area, a fort (Kazad) etc etc. Each would affect the name. You can then pick a noun such as Drakk (Dragon), so

Karak Drakk - Dragon Mountain
Karag Drakk - Dragon Volcano
Kazad Drakk - Dragon Fort / Fort Dragon / Fort of the Dragon

Etc

EDIT:

Not sure what Ox is in Khazalid, couldn't find anything close...

Old Norse for Ox was Oxi and/or Uxi, although the 'i' signifier at the end may well indicate a name of a Dwarf... That said Ori means work, so Oxi/Uxi as a derrivative of Ori has a nice link "Ori - to work" "Oxi/Uxi - beast of burdon"?

If you wanted Minotaur, you could go with "Horned Ox", aka Oxgoruzi or Uxgoruzi (I prefer the sound of the 2nd, personally). I like the fact that 'gor' is in there, nice and horn-like.

So...

Karak Uxgoruzi ??? Mountain of the Minotaur! (The Minotaur Hold)

Sounds a bit Chaos Dwarf to me though... ;)

Edited by Alebelly_Cragfist, 14 March 2012 - 10:35 AM.


#3 thegreatoxe

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

If I'm doing this right....

Karaz a Barazulan should mean.... Mountain of the Sturdy Dwarfs with Purpose?

I was never good at foreign languages! LOL

Karak Uxgoruzi does sound (and look) Chaos Dwarf to me as well. Especially when you call it The Minotaur Hold...

#4 Alebelly_Cragfist

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:23 PM

I wouldn't necessarily say it means what you're hoping...

Baraz = a bond/promise

ul/kul - signifies mastery of, or the art of (i.e. Grobkul = the art of killing Gobbos)

an - can be used alone or to preceed another word

I would say you'd need to rewrite it as:

Anbarazul - which would mean something like 'the art of making purposeful promises" or maybe more poetically Oathmastery. Which I quite like... would make for a hardcore regiment of renown! The Anbarazkuli - Oathmasters! Consider that yoinked ;) (edit: Barazul / Barazkuli, Art of Oathmaking / Oathmaster)

There's nothing in there that signifies Sturdy Dawi though...

How about:

Karak Angrimbaraz? (Karak An-Grim-Bar-Az) or Karak Grimbaraz

Karak = Hold
Az signifies it's a physical "thing" i.e. a Hold
An (preceeding) signifies doing something with a purpose
Grim = unyeidling
Bar = gate in this case acting as metaphor - a Dawi gate is sturdy, in the same way that Beard (Gorm) can equate to Dwarf, Bar (gate) would equate with well made/stury as a concept to Dawi minds.

So Karak Grimbaraz = 'Hold of the Unyeliding Gate' a very proud name for a Hold and very Dawi. It encapsulates much of what you want, I think. You could then use Grimbarazi as Keepers of the Unyeilding Gate for an elite unit.

I just noticed the double meaning:
Baraz = bond/promise/oath
Bar = gate (in this case sturdy)
az = physical place signifier

So, you could argue the Hold name means literally both "Unyielding Gate" as well as "Unbroken Promise" (which is very very sexy!)

I'm not sure of the use of An at the beginning as it is supposed to preceed verbs "he was running with a purpose" etc,

Edited by Alebelly_Cragfist, 14 March 2012 - 03:56 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:29 PM

Karak Baraz and Karak Grimbaraz both sound quite badass and almost like they could be a hold from the official fluff.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:33 PM

Karak-Grong means the anvil hold, right? :stinker:

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:42 PM

Karak-Grong means the anvil hold, right? :stinker:

Yups.

Karak Baraz and Karak Grimbaraz both sound quite badass and almost like they could be a hold from the official fluff.


Indeed. There's a huge scope for fluff surrounding the Oath Gate (Baraz / Bar-az), a huge gate fashioned by Grungni himself as a last protection against Chaos should they conquer the Old World. The Grimbarazi refuse all clan ties and wealth to ensure its safekeeping. The High King, in recognition of their solemn oath, ensures they are forever clad in the finest wrought Dawi armour and weapons.

Etc etc.

It's pure Dawi goodness!

Edited by Alebelly_Cragfist, 14 March 2012 - 03:43 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:01 PM

And let it be known, the proud Dawi of Karak Grimbaraz shall be added to the good fight.


Thanks much for your help. When I read Cragfist's tidbit of fluff I got chill bumps!!!

That is official fluff correct? (Must.... read...... dwarf books!)

Edited by thegreatoxe, 14 March 2012 - 04:05 PM.


#9 Alebelly_Cragfist

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:09 PM

That is official fluff correct? (Must.... read...... dwarf books!)

No, I just made it up as I liked the name, plus I made a post about Dawi shutting themselves away earlier and my subconscious must have filled in the creative gaps :)

Glad you like the name. I think it's proper Dawified! I also like the idea of the ancient, unyielding gate, a bastion of Dawi craftsmanship and dour outlook, a place of pilgrimage for Rhunki to weep at the glory of the runecraft!

Bah, quite frankly I'm now jealous! ;)

Edited by Alebelly_Cragfist, 14 March 2012 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:18 PM

By Grungni's beard, you are quite the Longbeard!

Consider the improvised lore borrowed!

The lore fits my personality honestly. Keep to my self, don't bother any one unless I'm bothered, honorable, preparing for the worst (the bit about the "what if" scenario when the Chaos destroy the Old World).

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:02 PM

A small addendum there Alebelly.

Regarding "Barazulan", you could also go "Bar-Azul-an".

"Bar" signifying a gateway, as you mentioned, "Azul" means Iron, and "an" could be used at the end to draw additional significance to the preceeding word or term. In this case Karak Barazulan could mean the Hold of the Gate and Iron.

(Technically, it would have to be repeated at the beginning of the sentence as well to draw the extra significance so that would be Karak Anbarazulan, but it just wanted to make the point. :) )

Doesn't sound that great but it is valid.

Edited by Dourin, 15 March 2012 - 04:04 PM.


#12 Alebelly_Cragfist

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 04:42 PM

I thought An was a a prefix signifier, to denote what was being done was being done with a purpose?

i.e

Strol = to walk / walking

Anstrol = [he] purposefully walked / walked with a purpose

An, always coming before the verb to emphasise it? Even though An can be used on it's own as "purpose" it seems wrong to put it at the end of a word, i.e. it seem redundant (at least according to how GW have set out Khazalid) :)

I'm no language scholar though! :)

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:22 PM

Starting to write my fluff today!

Just so I have everything correct so far...

Karak Grimbaraz - Hold of the Unyielding Gate
Grimbarazi - Keepers of the Unyielding Gate

Grimbarazi a Grund – Keepers with Hammers
Grimbarazi a Az-Dreugi – Keepers with Great Axes

Would there be more common terms to the keepers?




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