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[Alebelly_Cragfist]

Okay if I'm still in the country on the day, I will come down and have a look-see, help move some terrain, mop brows, do the tea run etc. At least it'll give me an incentive to get a job, and save up to come lol!

Good man! (and best of luck with the job hunt! )

[Highelf]

Dourin and myself had a 4000 points test-match some days ago. We used my 'new' magic system, designed to scale up to 20.000 points or more. The current magic rules don't scale up so well.
It's still v1.0, but Dourin and I think it has 'potential'.
I'll wait until the subforums are up to describe it in detail.

A teaser : In our 4000 points match, I had a Lvl 4, a Lvl 2 and a Lvl 1.
In the entire game, 10 casting attemps were made, 6 were dispeled, 2 irresisible force and 2 cast but not dispeled. So all in all the rate of succes was 'normal' for a High Elves VS Dwarf game.

[Alebelly_Cragfist]

Interested to see the rules I've been nagging the admins again to try and push the subforum through, but no joy as yet. Got so close last week too!

[Elithmar of Lothern]

Over on Ulthuan, we've been discussing rules for (the mighty) Caledor II. We cannot make the rules on our own though, so let's make some rules for he and Gotrek here. I'll redirect the HE players on Uthuan who are interested in making the rules here as well.

Edited by Elithmar of Lothern, 27 July 2011 - 07:38 PM.

[Meniour]

Over on Ulthuan, we've been discussing rules for (the mighty) Caledor II. We cannot make the rules on our own though, so let's make some rules for he and Gotrek here. I'll redirect the HE players on Uthuan who are interested in making the rules here as well.

Caledor II ideas:

Stats - mighty warrior, so a standard Lord statline with WS 8. Not much cop as a general, so Ld 9.
Phoenix Crown - the bearer's unit is Unbreakable, all HE units within 12" of the model are Stubborn.
Oriour - +2 Strength, allows no ward saves.
Emblazoned Armour - 3+ Armour Save. Opponents are at -1 to hit the wearer in combat.

Special Rule - Touched by the Gods. A mighty king catches the interest and protection of the Gods themselves! They have surely reserved a great destiny for him... Caledor II has a 3+ Ward Save. If the unit he is in combat with includes King Gotrek Starbreaker, he loses this special rule.

What do you think? Didn't want the bog standard 2+ ASrr, 4+ WS, White Sword character!

[Elithmar of Lothern]

I like these rules - not too over the top but still pretty decent. I like the fact that he becomes weaker when in combat with Gotrek - it encourages them to have a heroic duel together. However, Caledor probably will want to stay away from him, so he needs an advantage if he's against Gotrek. Something like Devastating Charge or +1 attack (or +3!). It would be good to have them having a suitabley cinematic fight in the middle of the battle.

If no one disagrees with these rules, shall we use them? We can then make the King of the Garden Gnomes to the same level, then play test them.

Edited by Elithmar of Lothern, 28 July 2011 - 06:11 PM.

[kgkid]

I'm sorry to interfere, since I will not be able to participate in the game, but you do intend to place Caledor II in battle. And he should, eventually, at least come in some kind of a duel with High King Gotrek?

High King would be having no Ward Save, facing ASF with S6. On an odd chance he gets to strike back, he'll hit on 5+ with slim chances of wounding?

EDIT: If found inappropriate, feel free to ignore this remark. Again, it does come from someone who will not participate in the actual event and is so sorry about it.

Edited by kgkid, 28 July 2011 - 06:18 PM.

[Alebelly_Cragfist]

No Ward saves can be gotten around with rerollable failed saves, extra wounds high toughness, rebounded attacks (sounds nice) etc.

Wounding Gotrek should be like trying to cut granite with a razor blade

Then there's the always wound once rule, the Str 8 attacks, frenzy... erm...

More seriously, "touched by the Gods" special rule? Not very fluffy, Caledor II was no Caledor, he didn't even have the full trust and respect of his council let alone the gods!

[Corvain]

(unable to cross the great pond for said rematch; so my opinion counts little). That being said, when i envision elves, i tend to imagine them as a more lithe and graceful people; who prize skill and finesse over strength and force. The dwarfs of course being the opposite; the more like a mountain (of a man) the better.

According to Dwarf lore, these items have been passed through all High Kings; the crown even specifically mentions Gotrek Starbreaker as a wearer.

Dragon Crown-Talisman-MRo Kingship -(Stubborn, immune fear & terror to self and unit)
The Crown passed down through the ages to all High Kings.

The Axe of Grimnir-Hand Weapon, MRo Skalf Blackhammer, MRo Alric the Mad, MRo Giantbane *-(STR is always 2 higher than opponents toughness, no armor saves allowed, Multiple wounds d3 (d6 vs giants and trolls) )
The Axe passed down through the ages to all High Kings.

Special Rules: Royal Blood.


On the other hand, we know Caledor II had the phoenix crown, but little else.

Making mandatory:
Phoenix Crown- ?? Confers Stubborn, and immune to psycology to Self and joined unit.
The Legendary crown, taken from Caledor by High King Gotrek.

Special Rules:
Speed of Asuryan



Beyond this, my own interpretation probably does go "over the top" with the characters , but here goes:


Gotrek Starbreak (The embodiment of a Dwarf, Tough and Strong!) M: 3 WS: 8 BS: 4 S: 5 T: 6 W:4 I:5 A:5 LD: 10
**This stat line was derived from a standard Dwarf Lord, increasing key aspects of the Dwarf by 1


High King Caledor the II (The embodiment of an Elf,Agile and skilled) M:6 WS:9 BS:6 S:5 T:4 W:4 I:10 A:6 LD: 9
**This stat line was derived from a typical elf leader, slightly modified**
(WS 9 makes it 5+ to be hit by normal dwarf infantry; this also puts him 1 above Gotrek)
(LD 9 because...well...both side's histories agree that he was a poor leader!)

Edited by Chronoleon, 29 July 2011 - 07:18 PM.

[Meniour]

[quote name='kgkid' timestamp='1311876951' post='361070']
I'm sorry to interfere, since I will not be able to participate in the game, but you do intend to place Caledor II in battle. And he should, eventually, at least come in some kind of a duel with High King Gotrek?

High King would be having no Ward Save, facing ASF with S6. On an odd chance he gets to strike back, he'll hit on 5+ with slim chances of wounding?

EDIT: If found inappropriate, feel free to ignore this remark. Again, it does come from someone who will not participate in the actual event and is so sorry about it.


[/quote]
No need to apologise, this is a balance thing - all opinions weighted The plan certainly is for the 2 kings to duel, I think! As wir hero Alebelly says, there are a bunch of ways to get around Caledor II's build - give Gotrek a Regen save, and/ or MRoS + RoR, and C2's in trouble! The point was to make him a real threat to most dawi lords, but no more than evens against the High King. As for Gotrek striking back, C2 loses his biggest defence - that 3+ WS - against Gotrek and his unit. If the High King was armed with only a great weapon, gromril/RoS + shieldbearers, the duel might go:

C2 - 4A, 3 hit, rr, 4 hits.
S6 v T5 - 3 wounds.
4+ save - 1.5 wounds

Gotrek - 4A, 1 hit.
S6 v T3 - 1 wound
6+ save - .84 wounds.

That's Gotrek with only mundane equipment, standard stats, and a Rune of Stone to his name! Pump him up a bit, and it'll be easy to engineer a close fight

[quotename='Alebelly_Cragfist']More seriously, "touched by the Gods" special rule? Not very fluffy, Caledor II was no Caledor, he didn't even have the full trust and respect of his council let alone the gods![/quote]

Ah, excuse my bad writing! Was intended to be v fluffy - was using 'Touched by the Gods' in the sense of it being a polite/ archaic euphemism for madness and/or hubris. Besides, for all his faults, C2 did pass through the Flames - he was accepted by the god Asuryan as a legitimate king. Just not a good one

@ Chronoleon: I like the idea of setting the characters up as avatars of their races Though, yes, you might have gone a little over the top in their abilities! And I don't think we can make C2 a mage - he wasn't... gifted in the direction of subtle, academic studies. For all his other sterling qualities, of course...

Edited by Meniour, 29 July 2011 - 07:10 PM.

[Alebelly_Cragfist]

Hooray! We have our subforum! It's a bit late now to start getting all the seperate threads ready, but I'll kick it all off tomorrow

Big thanks to Silashand for getting this sorted for us!

[Litial]

This should be very exiting

[Alebelly_Cragfist]

Now that we have the subforum all to ourselves (thanks Silashand!) can we please keep all further posts within the few I've created?

Cheers!