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[Targ Ironfist]

So you should put your experience into use and do it!

[Alaric Ironaxe]

ok i shall...probaly get started tomorrow.

[BLOOD AXE]

This needs a lot of work. Information needs to be compiled into one post for each unit with all the relevant information & tactics. Right now it just reads as a normal thread on each unit. Anyone seriously working on it?

[Alaric Ironaxe]

the orcs&goblins tactica? im working on it...one post per unit i think is a bit much, so i didnt one post per unit type (core, special etc.)

[BLOOD AXE]

No I mean the entire handbook. It might be a good idea to open a new thread in the Tavern for each unit. Have it only open for 1 week. Then take the old info & new, compact it into the best bits, then Lock it. There is too much discussion wishlisting and rules arguing. That's only if you want some more ideas. If you are satisfied now, then just clean it up into one or two nice posts. Too scrambled right. Now.

[Torendil the Slayer]

I agree with BA. If you're a new player, or you're looking for some info on a specific unit it's a big mess of threads and posts to go to, even if all the links are in here.

It would be nice to have a single post that compiles all the info given in a specific topic, and then just a link to that post. Much quicker and easier.

If help is needed, I'll gladly offer my services to help compiling the info, if the dwarves behind this idea agree, as I don't want to be stealing anybody's thunder.

Torendil

[Targ Ironfist]

Problem is simple...

There is a small contact with Javidson. SO he is able to help. A bit.

On the other hand, as he is out of the hobby, he is available only very little. So no flexibility there.

A new thread would be a great thing. More practical, for sure.


What if we were to compile most important information from Javidsons thread, add links where needed and make a completely new one. Hmmm...
With proper honor to Javidson, for doing the first book of course.

Blood Axe: would you support this?

I would be willing to do such a thing, but not alone. This is too much for one person to not go nuts.

I would ask any dawi, willing to join in such an effort to come and help!
(Or to organize it themselves! I am quite willing to join, unless asked to do it.)

For me a proper thread is more important than any authorship issue...

[Alaric Ironaxe]

im willing to help....ill certainly stop working on the O&G tactic for the moment, but id hope i can use some of what i posted in the O&G tactia in the new thread....

[BLOOD AXE]

Jdavidson is out. Forget about him and continue with project. He posted & asked people to stop bothering him. So that's pretty clear.

[BLOOD AXE]

Just so everyone knows I am no longer active here and I have just this moment handed over the responsibility for this thread to another. Therefore please can people now stop messaging me asking me to finish it. thank you

Pretty cut & dried. We can continue without him.

[Alaric Ironaxe]

ya pretty clear...i think we should make a "tactica" commitee responsible for making the tactica. i would be willing to be part of this commitee....and im thinking to make threads less clutered we can have 1 for just people on the commitee to post in and make everything "clear and clean", and another for questions and comments.

[Torendil the Slayer]

I am willing to join as well, having done a lot of similar writing in 6th and 7th.
After a reasonable number of games in 8th I feel quite confident to tackle a few issues.

What about the people interested try to get together for a chat session on MSN Messegner or Skype, to get things going? Or just a group email, if the former seems impossible.

Torendil

[Alaric Ironaxe]

i can do skype or email...i think we should wait though until we have a few more people who are interested.

[Torendil the Slayer]

Believe me, after doing this before you actually don't want to many people working on this at once.
Communication will be hard to achieve, and it's even harder to keep the quality and layout on a single line.

Imo the best way to do it is with three or four dedicated people. Enough to lighten the workload and prived insights and proof reading, but few enough to make for quick communication and prevent confusion.

Of course, I'm open for suggestions and thoughts.

Torendil

[Alaric Ironaxe]

that sounds like a good idea to me...we could use more then two people though. im sure Targ will want to help...

[Targ Ironfist]

Must be one dedicated coordinator with enough experience. Then 3-4 people working + other sending them stuff, which they propose to be involved. this way the whole community has a say and that is as it should be without getting to a liberum veto situation a la Poland in 16-17th century...

[Targ Ironfist]

Torrendil, Alaric, myself... maybe we should ask Stymie to join... I would recommend at least "borrowing" his TK tactica...

Blood axe: Would you take the lead?

Edited by Targ Ironfist, 22 January 2012 - 07:09 PM.

[Javidson]

So everyone knows, I agreed with Targ to link anything the community produces in this thread, he just has to link it to me in a message as I still get email alerts. Of course moderators are able to do that aswell so I'm probably not needed. As for the linked threads looking like threads and not 'normal' tactica's. That was the idea as then readers will get a feel for the general consensus of the community as a whole and not the personal opinions of one writer who may not be trying to mislead people but who's experience doesn't compete with the experience of the entire forum. This also has the added benefit of unique tactics being mentioned that no-one has thought of using before e.g. massive units of quarrellers with GWs (poor example). However this was and is just my opinion and as a no longer active member of the site it's not really up to me. All I ask in the end is that I am remembered as the original and greatest (so far) contributor to this guide and as such the thread's founder isn't altered (if that's possible)etc.

[Alaric Ironaxe]

my idea was to have both...a thread where one writer with a good amount of experience posts their tactics, then have a thread that goes along with that one for comments and ideas...

[Targ Ironfist]

So everyone knows, I agreed with Targ to link anything the community produces in this thread, he just has to link it to me in a message as I still get email alerts. Of course moderators are able to do that aswell so I'm probably not needed.

Yes, we agreed on that. And there are already 2 tacticas ready/nearly finished. High elves and Tomb Kings.
One by myself and the second by Stymie. (But that is only two tacticas and you asked me to send allways a packadge... That was not reached yet. I was thinking of 3 tacticas at least, so waiting for some other to be finished...).

As for the linked threads looking like threads and not 'normal' tactica's. That was the idea as then readers will get a feel for the general consensus of the community as a whole and not the personal opinions of one writer who may not be trying to mislead people but who's experience doesn't compete with the experience of the entire forum. This also has the added benefit of unique tactics being mentioned that no-one has thought of using before e.g. massive units of quarrellers with GWs (poor example).

And that was exactly the right idea. There is only one problem. Too much access means the thread gets cluttered with everything and gets bogged down more often than not with too many useless posts. (happened already, I am afraid.)

AS long as you were active it was OK, as you were able to steer the debate, but now...

However this was and is just my opinion and as a no longer active member of the site it's not really up to me. All I ask in the end is that I am remembered as the original and greatest (so far) contributor to this guide and as such the thread's founder isn't altered (if that's possible)etc.

Accepting you copyright/foundership is absolutely guaranteed. This is your right and no one wants to infringe it. Just look into my signature and you will understand I mean what I say.

What to do next?

1/ Even with your cooperation it is impractical to continue this way, unless you would be willing to moderate the tactica thread any further! (And would you check it properly, you would realise, it dies, slowly, without your presence).

2/ Found a successor thread, where your foundership would be acknowledged and take over the most interesting pieces from your thread. Use that as a base for the new one. We would get new blood into it the tactica and keep most of your great work alive.

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It is great you joined the debate.
So now it is very easy.

I WILL NOT go into the creation of a new thread, unless you accept it end endorse it. I will not be looked upon as a thief.

With regards...